Yeah, it ends up implying that to be woman or feminine is to be submissive, weak, or passive (and that to be any of those things makes a man less worthwhile). Good old misogyny/homophobia strikes again!
And it's ev.ry.where. "Submissive men should always crossdress and suck cock in order to show true submissiveness to their Goddess Mistress!" is no more helpful than "He's queer so he's not *really* a man" or "He's not super butch so obviously he likes the D" -- and that's true even if being a feminine gay bottom is a good thing in and of itself (which it is). I feel like it's one thing to recognize when those tropes are being used in a work, and another to add them in where they don't even exist, and I think this meta was doing more of the latter. "He's femme and queer" is different from "he's femme and *therefore* he must be queer," especially if the 'femininity' amounts to being vulnerable and attractive while a woman runs the show. Also F/m is both not the patriarchal default AND not queer (unless they're both bi I guess).
All that said, I'm not above describing John Ballantyne as a pretty pretty princess occasionally. But I'm not writing serious queer meta!
I did wonder a little if they thought Murchison was camp. To me he was playing "More refined than thou" as a class/power thing. Sleek, replete, above your petty concerns, so powerful he only has to click his fingers and make things happen. Smug. Someone with those exact mannerisms would probably read a lot more camp to me in 2015 than he did in 1945, fwiw, but he didn't strike me as anything but seriously full of himself.
there are FOUR slash ships in Navarone: Keith/Andrea, Keith/Ray, Keith/Miller and Miller/Ray
Okay, that's Gregory Peck/Anthony Quinn, Peck/David Niven's Boyfriend, Peck/Niven, and Niven/His Boyfriend? Hmm you're right! I think I must have just been counting the ships Peck was in, because Niven/bf is one of the two big ones at the start of the film, and is why Niven is so pissed at Mallory for lying to Ray.
Andrea/Resistance Lady would have been great (I liked her), but completely overshadowed by the gay. ❤ That is not a heterosexual movie.
He was from California! From that gossipy rag of a book the other night:
"The memory is painful to me--even now," Greg confessed years later. "I fell down sideways, forward, on my rear--and every possible way--before I actually managed to stay up for the 40-foot run. You can imagine my relief when I got to the bottom."
I feel like they were racing each other for Sitka, which is where the countess had been dragged off too? Though maybe Clark had given up on her at that point, assuming she'd unilaterally fucked off into the night, and only runs into the whole Russian group when the bad guy interrupts his makeout session/fight with Anthony Quinn below decks. (Talk about sublimating erotic urges into violence, man!)
You should write that Boston Man/first mate fic. It would be amazing.
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And it's ev.ry.where. "Submissive men should always crossdress and suck cock in order to show true submissiveness to their Goddess Mistress!" is no more helpful than "He's queer so he's not *really* a man" or "He's not super butch so obviously he likes the D" -- and that's true even if being a feminine gay bottom is a good thing in and of itself (which it is). I feel like it's one thing to recognize when those tropes are being used in a work, and another to add them in where they don't even exist, and I think this meta was doing more of the latter. "He's femme and queer" is different from "he's femme and *therefore* he must be queer," especially if the 'femininity' amounts to being vulnerable and attractive while a woman runs the show. Also F/m is both not the patriarchal default AND not queer (unless they're both bi I guess).
All that said, I'm not above describing John Ballantyne as a pretty pretty princess occasionally. But I'm not writing serious queer meta!
I did wonder a little if they thought Murchison was camp. To me he was playing "More refined than thou" as a class/power thing. Sleek, replete, above your petty concerns, so powerful he only has to click his fingers and make things happen. Smug. Someone with those exact mannerisms would probably read a lot more camp to me in 2015 than he did in 1945, fwiw, but he didn't strike me as anything but seriously full of himself.
there are FOUR slash ships in Navarone: Keith/Andrea, Keith/Ray, Keith/Miller and Miller/Ray
Okay, that's Gregory Peck/Anthony Quinn, Peck/David Niven's Boyfriend, Peck/Niven, and Niven/His Boyfriend? Hmm you're right! I think I must have just been counting the ships Peck was in, because Niven/bf is one of the two big ones at the start of the film, and is why Niven is so pissed at Mallory for lying to Ray.
Andrea/Resistance Lady would have been great (I liked her), but completely overshadowed by the gay. ❤ That is not a heterosexual movie.
He was from California! From that gossipy rag of a book the other night:
Book also claims Bergman was a skiing noob too, though this article from 1941 seems to disagree:
Actress Ingrid Bergman plays in the snow
I feel like they were racing each other for Sitka, which is where the countess had been dragged off too? Though maybe Clark had given up on her at that point, assuming she'd unilaterally fucked off into the night, and only runs into the whole Russian group when the bad guy interrupts his makeout session/fight with Anthony Quinn below decks. (Talk about sublimating erotic urges into violence, man!)
You should write that Boston Man/first mate fic. It would be amazing.